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Totsugeki's Problems No. 5

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 6:04 am
by Renzo
Questions 3 and 4 are straightforward. This is (slightly) more interesting.

Difficulty 1 star
Comment We have tempai East dora 2. What to do?

Round East 3rd 1 honba dora is 6-bam

East (You) 23700 points. You hand 7-crak 8-crak 9-crak 2-dot 3-dot 6-dot 6-dot 5-bam 6-bam 6-bam :east :east :east 4-dot
Your discards are :north 9-bam 8-dot

South 28000. He has discarded :west red-dra 1-dot

West 29100. he has discarded :north :west 2-bam

North 30200. Discards are :west 1-dot white-dra

Re: Totsugeki's Problems No. 5

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:49 pm
by Iapetus
6-bam damaten.

Double east dora 1 ron is 8000, great, and tsumo is 12000, perfect. Riichi is unnecessary overkill. The 4-7 wait is at full 8 tiles, while the 6m-6s is unlikely to be discarded at all. Because of the 8pin furiten, the only option to improve the shanpon is the 5-pin, for 9 tiles for now. It just isn't efficient.

Re: Totsugeki's Problems No. 5

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:28 pm
by Shirluban
Indeed 6-bam silent tenpai.
Declaring riichi will reward more only in case of ron (or with ura dora of course), which is not very expectable considering we're waiting for tiles around the dora.

Re: Totsugeki's Problems No. 5

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:59 pm
by zzo38
I agree with both of you it is what I would make too.

Re: Totsugeki's Problems No. 5

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:52 am
by Renzo
Totsugeki says: The options are 5-bam dama, 5-bam riichi, 6-bam dama, 6-bam riichi. Whether you go with the default that 3 han good wait should always be riichi, or you go with the scoring, there is no advantage with dama. Even if you dama it is not like the dora is going to come out quickly.

Which leaves riichi, and we need to choose between 6-dot 6-bam shampon wait or 4-bam 7-bam ryanmen. It more important to aim for top place by winning rather than aiming for haneman. As such, one should choose the ryanmen.

What if we didn't have :east but instead a closed triple of one of the other winds? Ryanmen riichi dora 1 vs shampon riichi dora 2 (or even dora 3)? In this case the extra dora doubles the score so there are no problem choosing shampon. Just because the ryanmen has twice the tiles to win on, that doesn't mean the overall win probability is double. This is even more so in the early game.

Lastly, suppose :south was the dora and we could choose 6-bam :south sampon wait. In this case going for dora is also fine. Early game honour tile shampon wait has a similar win rate fail rate to ryanmen. Even if it is dora wait, its still greater than 60% this early in the game.