Riichi yaku/scoring quick reference.

[Gamegrunt]

How do mangan points differ from other points?

They´re a different colour. :P

Mangan is the first of the five tiered limits applied to the total points paid for high value hands.

Here´s a summary from one of my guides.

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           |                |   Points for   | Points for 
           | Awarded for... | non-dealer win | dealer win 
-----------+----------------+----------------+------------
           | 3 Han & 70+ Fu |                |            
    Mangan | 4 Han & 40+ Fu |      8,000     |   12,000   
           | 5 Han          |                |            
-----------+----------------+----------------+------------
   Haneman | 6 or 7 Han     |     12,000     |   18,000   
-----------+----------------+----------------+------------
    Baiman | 8, 9 or 10 Han |     16,000     |   24,000   
-----------+----------------+----------------+------------
 Sanbaiman | 11 or 12 Han   |     24,000     |   36,000   
-----------+----------------+----------------+------------
   Yakuman | 13 or more Han |     32,000     |   48,000   

So if a hand has 5 or more Han then you don´t need to calculate the Fu.

A limit hand (Big Three Drags, etc) has a nominal value of 13 Han so you get the top limit; you can also make a counted Yakuman if you actually get 13+ Han from yaku (and probably dora too).

So in the above table it matters not whether the hand was achieved by discard or selfdrawn?

Gg

[Barticle]

So in the above table it matters not whether the hand was achieved by discard or selfdrawn?

That´s right. The hand winner always gets the amount shown. With a ron/discard win the discarder pays all and with tsumo/self-draw the three losers pay in the ratio 1:1:1 (dealer win) or 2:1:1 (non-dealer win).

[Gamegrunt]

So in the above table it matters not whether the hand was achieved by discard or selfdrawn?

That´s right. The hand winner always gets the amount shown. With a ron/discard win the discarder pays all and with tsumo/self-draw the three losers pay in the ratio 1:1:1 (dealer win) or 2:1:1 (non-dealer win).

Baiman | 8, 9 or 10 Han | 16,000 | 24,000

So in a "Baiman" win East would get 24,000 from the discarder, or 8000 each in the case of a tsumo. In the case of a non-dealer win, East would pay 8000 and the other two players would pay 4000 each in the case of tsumo.

Gg

[Barticle]

You got it!

The base points are counted as 4000 and the dealer pays and receives double ...so my 1:1:1 ratio above was technically a 2:2:2. :laugh:

Since making one of the various limit hands is like a \"shortcut\" to the Yakuman limit, Sanbaiman hands are actually rarer than Yakuman. So the Sanbaiman Club is more exclusive than the Yakuman Club! :silly:

[Gamegrunt]

So is the quick reference officially factual, without error, in a usable format, with virtually no fluorocarbons or MSG? If so, I would like to create an illustrated version, adapted from this fine document, mostly for my own use. This is to be done in the hope that I might (one day) wrap my brain around this (almost) inscrutable version of Mahjong.

Gg

I\'ve uploaded my "Illustrated Riichi Scoring Reference" to Boardgamegeek.com here:

http://files.boardgamegeek.com/file/dow ... erence.pdf

I\'m open to constructive criticism on how it can be improved.

Gg

[Shirluban]

I\'ve uploaded my "Illustrated Riichi Scoring Reference" to Boardgamegeek.com

Italicized hands are concealed.
Maybe it\'s only me, I don\'t find italic+bold so visible. Did you try colors, underline, and special chars?
For reference, EMA uses italic+green+dash. No way to miss it.

San Ankou is improperly marked to be a concealed hand (see bold+italic).
Ryanpeikou is not mark as concealed where it should.

Kans are not clearly visible. Not much a problem for most hands, but at first I would have count your Chinitsu example as chonbo (15 tiles!).

The pdf have one extra blank page.

It\'s all for criticism. Nice guide.

[Gamegrunt]

I\'ve uploaded my "Illustrated Riichi Scoring Reference" to Boardgamegeek.com

Italicized hands are concealed.
Maybe it\'s only me, I don\'t find italic+bold so visible. Did you try colors, underline, and special chars?
For reference, EMA uses italic+green+dash. No way to miss it.

San Ankou is improperly marked to be a concealed hand (see bold+italic).
Ryanpeikou is not mark as concealed where it should.

Kans are not clearly visible. Not much a problem for most hands, but at first I would have count your Chinitsu example as chonbo (15 tiles!).

The pdf have one extra blank page.

It\'s all for criticism. Nice guide.

Shirluban, thank you for your input! I will edit my original and upload the changed document when the bugs are worked out.

1) I will add underlining. Sometimes colors are not available on all printers.

2) San Ankou: only the pons/kans themselves need to be concealed, not the entire hand. I know this but the bold/italics should be removed.

3) Ryanpeikou: I just missed this one entirely - entire hand must be concealed!

4) Chinitsu example: Wow, went a little crazy on the one craks! I will space the sets so that the kans stand out better.

5) The extra blank page was something I couldn\'t find a way to remove, but there is no harm done with having it.

Gg

[Barticle]

Hi Gg. A few quick thoughts - rapidly running out of lunchbreak! :blink:

Chanta, etc, should be +1 Han rather than +1 Yaku (Chanta is one Yaku worth 1 or 2 Han). You might want to change Ippatsu and Double Reach too (although Ippatsu is a Yaku in its own right).

You could differentiate between Haitei Raoyue (last-tile tsumo) and Houtei Raoyui (last-tile ron). Usually just \"Haitei\" and \"Houtei\".

You could add the dragons in sequence to the notes section (for determining Dora).
red-dra white-dra green-dra

Chii-Toitsu needs an extra I.

I think \"chii\" and \"pon\" are technically only declarations? The Japanese names for the sets are Shuntsu and Koutsu (hence San An Kou etc) although I prefer to use the accepted English terms Chow and Pung (and Kong for Kan). The meaning is clear though.

Dare I mention the proper English spelling of \"honour\"?! ;) Don´t get me started on \"American English\"!

Dai Sharin - missing an S on \"pairs\".

Yakuman could be 13 or more Han.

You missed a couple of double yakuman options - Kokushi won on 13-sided wait and Chuuren on 9-sided wait.

...and I better get back to work! :silly:

[Gamegrunt]

Hi Gg. A few quick thoughts - rapidly running out of lunchbreak! :blink:

Chanta, etc, should be +1 Han rather than +1 Yaku (Chanta is one Yaku worth 1 or 2 Han). You might want to change Ippatsu and Double Reach too (although Ippatsu is a Yaku in its own right).

Two yaku or two han makes no difference as to how you score the hand, unless I\'m missing something.

You could differentiate between Haitei Raoyue (last-tile tsumo) and Houtei Raoyui (last-tile ron). Usually just "Haitei" and "Houtei".

You could add the dragons in sequence to the notes section (for determining Dora).
red-dra white-dra green-dra

Fixed.

Chii-Toitsu needs an extra I.

Fixed.

I think "chii" and "pon" are technically only declarations? The Japanese names for the sets are Shuntsu and Koutsu (hence San An Kou etc) although I prefer to use the accepted English terms Chow and Pung (and Kong for Kan). The meaning is clear though.

I\'ve changed the original so that chow, pung and kong are used instead of the Japanese declaration. Most people in the West encounter Mahjong via the Chinese or American initially and it serves to simplify the understanding.

Dare I mention the proper English spelling of "honour"?! ;) Don´t get me started on "American English"!

Listen, General Washington and all those brave colonials fought long and hard for my right to mutilate the King\'s English as I see fit. Besides, you have no idea how I cringe when I see "knickers" used to refer to "panties."

Dai Sharin - missing an S on "pairs".

Fixed.

Yakuman could be 13 or more Han.

You missed a couple of double yakuman options - Kokushi won on 13-sided wait and Chuuren on 9-sided wait.

I\'ll work on these too.

...and I better get back to work! :silly:

Thanks for the input. I\'ll work on v2 until all the dust settles and upload the revision to BGG.

Gg

[silent observer]

You might want to change Ippatsu and Double Reach too (although Ippatsu is a Yaku in its own right).

Again; it\'s really not, but it\'s obvious you people don\'t care.

[Gamegrunt]

You might want to change Ippatsu and Double Reach too (although Ippatsu is a Yaku in its own right).

Again; it\'s really not, but it\'s obvious you people don\'t care.

Should I? I\'m new at this, but my way of explaining the difference between yaku and han is that all yaku is han but not all han is yaku. The subtle difference is lost on a cave man like me. :)

Gg

[Barticle]

Gamegrunt wrote:

Listen, General Washington and all those brave colonials fought long and hard for my right to mutilate the King\'s English as I see fit. Besides, you have no idea how I cringe when I see "knickers" used to refer to "panties."

Heh! :laugh: I bet overall I cringe more than you do. :P

Thanks for the input.

No problemo!

You might want to change Ippatsu and Double Reach too (although Ippatsu is a Yaku in its own right).

Again; it\'s really not, but it\'s obvious you people don\'t care.

No, what´s obvious is that people with little or no Japanese find it hard to learn every nuance of a Japanese game with few English language resources.

...Especially in this case when so many sources, both English and Japanese, include Ippatsu (and Nagashi Mangan) in yaku lists.

Yet another example - which I´ve posted here for the benefit of anyone who´s not seen it - is this (otherwise!) excellent article. It lists all the yaku and yakuman with names in both kanji/kana and romaji plus illustrated example hands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Mahjong_yaku

[Poochy]

You might want to change Ippatsu and Double Reach too (although Ippatsu is a Yaku in its own right).

Again; it\'s really not, but it\'s obvious you people don\'t care.

I don\'t know what source you\'re using, but the Mahjong Fight Club manuals (which are in Japanese, mind you) all list Ippatsu under 1-han yaku.

As for your attitude, I\'ve seen your type around. You try to make yourself look and feel superior by repeatedly trying to insist that everybody else around you is an idiot. Trust me, it doesn\'t work and only makes people dislike you.

[silent observer]

You try to make yourself look and feel superior

Superior, posterior, interior, inferior, anterior, EXCELSIOR, exterior but not misbehaviour, junior, senior, prior, ulterior and warrior!

Who said I\'m trying? Teehee *winking smileyface*

My comment was made because it was clear that he posted without even acknowledging my explanation in another post.

Anyway, tenhou\'s manual lists it as a bonus. It\'s fairly obvious why it\'s listed along with the rest of the yaku, given that getting it implies that you have the other.

As for the remainder of your comment, I could go with either:
It takes one to know one.
or:
I hang around here, don\'t I? Seems to be working fairly well.

But I, at least, keep my snide remarks just that. I don\'t stoop to actual accusations, I merely suggest.

[Tom Sloper]

I\'m new at this, but my way of explaining the difference between yaku and han is that all yaku is han but not all han is yaku. The subtle difference is lost on a cave man like me.

Yaku is what you have in your hand. Han is what you will get on your scoresheet because of the yaku that you have in your hand.