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Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:21 pm
by Fat Dragon
Can Kokushi Musou be achieved by robbing a concealed kan?
I\'ve seen this mentioned on some pages containing Riichi rules. If yes, is it the only hand where you can rob a concealed kan for finishing?
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:07 pm
by Shirluban
Yes, kokushi musoo is the ONLY hand you can complete by robbing a concealed kong.
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:14 pm
by Fat Dragon
Thanks Shirluban
Do all riichi rule sets (especially Japanese & EMA) play this rule equally?
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:37 am
by Benjamin
No. Being able to \"rob\" a concealed kan with kokushi is a commonly known rule but generally known as a local variant; most \"official\" rule sets do not employ this rule. A common variation is that you can rob any concealed kan with *any* yakuman.
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:00 am
by Fat Dragon
@Benjamin
Thanks for the answer! :)
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:33 am
by Fat Dragon
Am I right that a win by \"robbing a (concealed) kan\" can only count as \"ron\"?
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 2:14 pm
by WorTeX
since the case is only to yakumans/kokushi, the chan-kan yaku is irrelevant
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:46 pm
by chalwa
I think the second question was not about yaku, but that who pays (ron vs tsumo). Player who wins with chan kan gets all points from player who made kan (so its like ron)
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:38 am
by Benjamin
Yes.
Re:Kokushi Musou - rob a con. kan
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:05 am
by Fat Dragon
@chalwa
...yes, you\'re right. I didn\'t express myself well enough. But thanks for reading my mind. You must be a good Riichi player since this ability is often needed in gameplay!