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Last night my wife and I are playing one of our half-game, two player contests. She has melded a pon of red and kan of green dragons, so my need to tsumo or ron is quite desperate. I riichi on a closed wait (I need an 8-dot and none have been played - good bet!) and sure enough, the dummy to my right discards the tile I need to go out. Plus I see all chows and a valueless pair, so I think I have another han for the pinfu - but it\'s not a two-sided wait!

What is the rationale for limiting pinfu to only two-sided waits - is not a closed wait harder to achieve?

Clue-less and Pinfu-less

The Idea of pinfu its that its \"no points\" hand and no points is regarding FU points. For closed wait you get 2fu so it would be \"no fu hand\". So only all sequences with open wait will give you no fu -pinfu (as exception pinfu don\'t get 2fu for tsumo, so its okay to win with ron and tsumo)

as your wait was for a single tile, it is a wait that is awarded 2-fu. Thus, your hand was not point-less/fu-less/\"pinfu\" and you are not awarded the yaku.

Once again, I receive knowledge and understanding from my betters here at the little website that could.

Gg

Gamegrunt wrote:[...] sure enough, the dummy to my right discards the tile I need to go out.

That\'s no way to talk about Mrs Gg! :silly:

(So sorry, but I couldn\'t resist.)

I assume you sit facing each other with the two dummy hands between you. Am curious to know how you operate them - do they draw and always do tsumokiri (discarding the tile just drawn) or do you pick a tile at random from their hand?

Barticle wrote:

Gamegrunt wrote:[...] sure enough, the dummy to my right discards the tile I need to go out.

That\'s no way to talk about Mrs Gg! :silly:

(So sorry, but I couldn\'t resist.)

I assume you sit facing each other with the two dummy hands between you. Am curious to know how you operate them - do they draw and always do tsumokiri (discarding the tile just drawn) or do you pick a tile at random from their hand?

No offense taken! I draw a tile, place it on one end of the dummy\'s 13 tiles and discard the tile on the opposite end. This preserves the four player feel...use all tiles, chow discards from the dummy on the left.

Gg

Thanks - sounds like a good way to recreate the 4P experience with two people. Especially good that they\'re more likely to deal into your hand since they discard with no thought of defence - or even defense!

BTW I hope your opponents appreciated Jamie\'s recent Scoring for Dummies feature! :laugh: