the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

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the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by azn86.jedi » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:59 pm

Hi, all. I\'m new to reachmahjong.com but I\'ve been self studying Riichi mahjong for a couple of months trying to get my head around it.

I usually play some variation of Singaporean mahjong with friends, so it was easier for me to grasp certain concepts in riichi mahjong.

I do have a question regarding the 4 red 5 dora tiles that can be used in riichi mahjong.

Are those 4 tiles played as additional tiles-in that on top of the normal 136 tiles you add the four? Or do 4 tiles corresponding to the 4 red tiles replaced instead to maintain 136 tiles in play?

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(I apologise if this is a repeat topic)

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Mcgreag » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:25 pm

They replace existing tiles. The number of red 5s varies between different rulesets. Some have none, some have 2, 3 or 4.

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Tom Sloper » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:40 pm

The main reason why there are 4 of them is that that\'s the number that nicely fills out the tiles in the container, and that\'s a pleasing number because this way there are 4 of everything.

But the usual/preferred use is to use only 3 of them (one per suit), substituting for a normal-colored five.
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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by azn86.jedi » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:46 pm

Thanks Tom and Mc, that certainly clears things up.:blush:

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Gamegrunt » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:59 am

Dora are not yaku! Repeat: Dora

are not yaku - only han!!!



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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by azn86.jedi » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:13 am

Erm...Gg

I AM well aware that dora are not yaku, nor do they fulfill the 1 han requirement of hands in order to go out on a win.

thanks for the reminder though... I wish you didn\'t use such big font size...=x

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Barticle » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:26 pm

Tom Sloper wrote:But the usual/preferred use is to use only 3 of them (one per suit)
Certainly playing with four gives that odd bias between the suits.

Gg - surely your Take set red 5\'s inset with genuine ersatz diamonds must give yaku?! ;)

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by hirohurl » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:42 pm

Only until the diamondo falls out... :)

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Gamegrunt » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:44 pm

For now, the faux diamonds are affixed to their tiles, but if I ever get to slapping those tiles down like the big boys in Tokyo, they might be jarred loose!

Please forgive the large fonts - I get carried away sometimes. I will need to adjust my level of self-medication (maybe not so much scotch with an equal volume of tonic water will be more better.)

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Post by azn86.jedi » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:43 pm

oooo the scotch and tonic water does explain why you get carried away sometimes :woohoo:

I was thinking the same thing about the diamonds in the tiles i see in some of the sets in David\'s mahjong goods page.

I can only assume it\'s being held onto the tile with nothing more than adhesive...

I have a tendancy to slap tiles down too...one of the flower tiles in my chinese set has a crack in it... either from slapping or someone dropping the tile on the floor....

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by zzo38 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:45 am

In the Washizu tile set, the red fives are: one of opaque red 5pin, one of transparent red 5pin, one of transparent red 5sou, one of transparent red 5man. The flowers are also: one opaque flower and three transparent flowers. (Washizu mahjong normally uses neither red fives nor flowers, but they are available)

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Gamegrunt » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:58 pm

zzo38 wrote:In the Washizu tile set, the red fives are: one of opaque red 5pin, one of transparent red 5pin, one of transparent red 5sou, one of transparent red 5man. The flowers are also: one opaque flower and three transparent flowers. (Washizu mahjong normally uses neither red fives nor flowers, but they are available)
I don\'t know about all that, but I would say that my set, like the current U.S. administration, is totally lacking in transparency. :ohmy:

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Robert » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:45 pm

Try buying from http://www.1kawaya.com. I have never bought transparent tiles from them, but from their pictures, it seems that they are quite serious about the quality of their transparent tile set.

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by zzo38 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:15 pm

Robert wrote:Try buying from http://www.1kawaya.com. I have never bought transparent tiles from them, but from their pictures, it seems that they are quite serious about the quality of their transparent tile set.
They have a lot of different sets, with many different customizations. They even sell gold tiles, and detachable tables, and a set of common dice for role-playing games (d4, d6, d8, d10, d12, d20, d%), and dice with Roman numerals, and various other things.

Here is the link for the Washizu mahjong: http://www.1kawaya.com/mj/p-wasizu.html

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Re:the Akahai (Red 5 tiles)

Post by Barticle » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:28 am

What the heck is going on here?!

There\'s a \"season\" version of the suit 1\'s and North, and a 10 in each of the suits too! :blink:

http://www.1kawaya.com/mj/linkgraph/images/rei-01.jpg

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