I merely quoted that page to show that Rosti is not the only one who has counted Chanta together with Honroutou. You seem to be under the illusion that your way of playing mahjong is the only right way to play and I can assure you it is not. Your style of playing is simply a style among others.Senechal wrote:Wei-Hwa Huang's site compiled stuff relating to Toudai-shiki which is a style of mahjong in the way EMA nashi-ari is a style. Is this an authoritative list? It was made in 1998 and updated in 2001. It was made as an attempt to be a better reference than whatever else was on the English internet. And in many ways, it was at that time, doesn't mean it's error-proof.
I'm surprised you're interested in mahjong at all, because if there is one game that lacks this solid reference it is mahjong.Senechal wrote:There's also talk of sextuple and octuple "superlimit" hands. This is the first and only place I have seen so far talking about hands worth yakuman and a half (and we're not counting dealer 1.5x points here). From what I've heard, there are a fair amount of differences with Toudai play compared to standard ari-ari mahjong. It's good to have a resource, but bad to assume it's correct. As a reference, there's one thing that has to be said about references: a solid reference would not have listed a zillion variations (well, you know, you can start with 25k, 26k, 27k or 30k) nor would sections 4 and 5 be incomplete. It would also not have a list of non-yaku hands in it, at the end or anywhere (saying ippatsu isn't counted is one thing but that list is another thing entirely).
I find it hard to fault Wei-Hwa Huang for mentioning that people play with different base scores, because it is true, people do. And if you would have read the complete document you would have noticed that a starting score of 27,000 is given at the beginning. Same goes for the different limits, you just conveniently left out the authors remarks:
As you can see Octuple Limit is just another term for Double Yakuman and neither this nor Sextuple limit is even used (and only mentioned for completeness).Wei-Hwa Huang wrote:SEXTUPLE LIMIT: 12000 points. Really special hands. Not possible in Toudai-shiki, but counted by some variants.
OCTUPLE LIMIT (daburu yakuman): 16000 points. Some players use this instead of sextuple limits.
Concerning the list of extra yaku at the end, you forgot this bit:
In fact, Jenn Barr does the same thing in her book, listing both extra "house" yaku and "inflated" dora and other scoring rules.Wei-Hwa Huang wrote:3.1.6 Other Multipliers
These multipliers are not in official Toudai-shiki, but are rather common in most social play, so they are listed here.
The missing sections are merely, 4. Examples and 5. Exercises, hardly the most important chapters? In fact, most other rules documents are missing these as well.
Dismissing a source because it is thorough just strikes me as odd...
David Hurley's Hiroshima 3-player rules also score Honroutou as 5 han. (http://japanese-mahjong.com/yaku.html)