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Re: Illustrated guide of waits with names
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 5:42 pm
by Barticle
As Kime notes there, that's a
Ryankan structure - two adjacent Kanchan.
If you reach on this, dropping one of the end tiles, it's called Hikkake Riichi. You can trick your opponents with this - for example say you have 3_5_7 and reach by discarding the 7... they might assume that your discarded 7 means that the 4 is safe too (you'd be Furiten on a _56_ Ryanmen wait for 4 or 7) when it's totally not.
Re: Illustrated guide of waits with names
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 6:35 pm
by Iapetus
That's a classic metagame example. Against total beginners, a hikkake riichi is just a kanchan because they don't understand defense. Against medium players, it will make them play into your hand because of the suji. And more advanced players recognize the pattern and will avoid discarding the hikkake tiles.
Re: Illustrated guide of waits with names
Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 9:17 pm
by Kyuu
Yea. Just making sure these waits, and many more things about this game, gets documented well within Saki Wikia. Eventually, similar material may be taken over to "real" Wikipedia. Though, I have to wonder -- if -- I should resort to using these terms in the first place and just describe the various waits in English. It is under my expectation for anyone reading the game via a Wiki to be new.
Barticle wrote:If you reach on this, dropping one of the end tiles, it's called Hikkake Riichi. You can trick your opponents with this - for example say you have 3_5_7 and reach by discarding the 7... they might assume that your discarded 7 means that the 4 is safe too (you'd be Furiten on a _56_ Ryanmen wait for 4 or 7) when it's totally not.
Like this, right?
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php ... reid=45078
My low score in that game, resorted me to target a potential "chankan" off a closed 7-man wait -- just to make me feel better.
Re: Illustrated guide of waits with names
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:43 pm
by Iapetus
I used to think the Chuuren Poto was the only 9-way wait, but there's actually two more shapes.
7gate:
waits on
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8gate:
waits on
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waits on
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Both waits wait on every tile in the suit, but they aren't fully nine way because there's 4 of one or two tiles already. If a 5th one came via haku pocchi or goumoupai, it would complete the hand. Regardless, the amount of tiles waited on is of course 9*4 - 13 = 23 tiles, same as Chuuren.
The 7gate is a tatsumaki extended with with a shuntsu on both sides, while the 8gate is an extended happoujibin.
Also, if 0 and 10 existed, Chuuren would wait on both, 8gate on the one next to the terminal, and 7gate on neither. So 11 gates, 10 gates and 9 gates? Arata would love the 2223456777789.
Re: Illustrated guide of waits with names
Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 2:36 pm
by Iapetus
Re: Illustrated guide of waits with names
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:29 pm
by Kyuu
Japanese Wiki:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/聴牌
Apparently, a lot of patterns are named. I just can't read them.