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Post by Ozball » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:29 pm

I'm working through some of the questions from last year's JPML's pro-test and I can't understand the answer to one of the questions. What's the score for the following hand:
2-bam 2-bam 2-bam 3-bam 4-bam 4-bam 4-bam 6-bam 6-bam 6-bam 8-bam 8-bam 8-bam winning on a 4-bam
Dora: 3-bam
The question asks you to score all situations, so both dealer and non-dealer as well as tsumo and ron. I thought this was just Ryuuiisou (All Green) but the answer is listing it as baiman/sanbaiman (depending on tsumo or ron). The only reason I can think of is that there are no green dragons, but I was under the assumption that All Green just needed to be made up of green tiles not ALL the green tiles (if that makes sense).

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Re: Scoring question

Post by Referee » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:47 pm

Ryuu Issou, 32000 on ron, 16000/8000 on tsumo. Oya 48000 on ron, 16000 each on tsumo.

If you had won on 4-bam and the rules allow that it is Ryuu Issou Suu Ankou Tanki, for a triple yakuman. All the figures above are tripled.

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Re: Scoring question

Post by Ozball » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:54 pm

Referee wrote:Ryuu Issou, 32000 on ron, 16000/8000 on tsumo. Oya 48000 on ron, 16000 each on tsumo.
That's what I thought, however the answer sheet says: ko 16000 ron, 6000/12000 tsumo - oya 24000 ron, 12000 tsumo.
Referee wrote:If you had won on 4-bam and the rules allow that it is Ryuu Issou Suu Ankou Tanki, for a triple yakuman. All the figures above are tripled.
Do you mean 3-bam?

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Re: Scoring question

Post by Referee » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:10 pm

Yes, 3-bam . My bad.

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Re: Scoring question

Post by Shirluban » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:22 pm

From the JPML rules:
• 緑一色   發を含まなければならない
According to Google trad, it means that All Green must include the green-dra.

I didn't knew that one. :shock:
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Re: Scoring question

Post by or2az » Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:52 pm

Barticles guide states that in some versions it must include the green dragon while in others its not required.

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Re: Scoring question

Post by Barticle » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:01 pm

Yup, another one of those rule options that you'll probably only ever need once in a lifetime. (if you're lucky!)

As a matter of fact I just started playing the new PS3 game Mahjong Haoh: Dankyū Battle 3 this week and this is one of the (83!) rule settings in the game.

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Re: Scoring question

Post by Ozball » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:51 pm

Shirluban wrote:From the JPML rules:
• 緑一色   發を含まなければならない
According to Google trad, it means that All Green must include the green-dra.

I didn't knew that one. :shock:
Fair enough. That explains it. What's the source for the JPML rules? I wouldn't mind going over them before this weekend.
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Re: Scoring question

Post by Scott Miller » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:45 am

My understanding is the JPML A rules require the green-dra.
連盟Aルールでは發なし緑一色は認められません。
...and JPML B rules allow yakuman without green-dra.
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Re: Scoring question

Post by Shirluban » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:22 am

Ozball wrote:Fair enough. That explains it. What's the source for the JPML rules? I wouldn't mind going over them before this weekend.
JPML rules are on the JPML website ;P
http://www.ma-jan.or.jp/guide/game_rule.html
But it's not up to date: website says B-rules' uma is "+30、+10、▲10、▲30", while Jenn (JPML pro player) says B-rules' uma is now +15/+5/-5-/15.

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Re: Scoring question

Post by Shirluban » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:20 pm

Scott Miller wrote:...and JPML B rules allow yakuman without green-dra.
緑一色は發がなくとも良い
I can't tell for sure, but I don't see any thing on the JPML website (cleraly) saying that.

The rule page and this guide say JPML A rule scores yakuman with green-dra, but both are mute about B rule.
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Re: Scoring question

Post by Kyuu » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:43 pm

Distinction between hatsu or not pertaining to Ryuu Iisou? Oh man, now that's a nightmare. :shock:

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