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WWYD 5/30

Post by deJENNerate » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:00 pm

South Round, 2nd Hand, Dealer, 44,600point 1st place

Lucky Tile: 1-dot

2-crak3-crak5-crak6-crak6-crak7-crak7-crak7-crak8-crak6-bam6-bam1-dot2-dotred-dot

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by Tha_Reaper » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:34 pm

hard one... beiing the noob i am, i would probably trow the 7-crak to make 2 sets out of that. open wait on the 1-crak or 4-crak is good IMO. Waiting on the 3-dot is a bit risky, but that wait can be broken up when you should draw a 4-dot or 6-dot, or maybe another 5-dot to wait on a 6-bam or another 5-dot. Trwoing that dora tile, or the red 5-dot away now seems like a waste and likely to play into your opponent hands.

EDIT: yeey, finally got those bloody tile pics working :P i\'m used too much to man and pin, not crak and dot :)

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by HotelFSR » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:28 am

If it\'s the first turn of the hand I\'d get rid of the 1-dot 2-dot edge wait.

I hate edge waits, and you lose the dora but get a shot at tanyao. Might as well throw the dora early in case you find it hard to use, and since it\'s a terminal it\'s less likely to be stolen early. Probably the safest time to get rid of it.

I like to keep the 7-crak because keeping it gives us a shot at four different four-sided waits, a five-sided wait, and (I think) two six-sided waits. To set those up you\'d be hoping to draw a 4-crak or 6-crak or 8-crak

Basically I\'m shooting for maximum flexibility.


P.S. ThaReaper: changing an edge wait into a closed wait does not actually improve it because both are one-sided and wait for four tiles. You also set yourself up for potential furiten in this case.

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by Poochy » Wed Jun 03, 2009 4:13 pm

If it\'s early in the hand, I\'d discard the 1-dot to try for tanyao and renchan. (In the unlikely event that I immediately draw several man tiles in a row, I\'d go for a chin\'iisoo instead; 2-dot will be next to go, then the red-dot and finally the two 6-bam, if I keep drawing man tiles.)

If it\'s late in the hand, I\'d simply try look at everyone else\'s discards and discard accordingly to avoid dealing into someone else\'s hand. Forget about the renchan, I\'ll just try to maintain 1st place to get the uma at the end.

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by iandstanley » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:52 pm

HotelFSR wrote:If it\'s the first turn of the hand I\'d get rid of the 1-dot 2-dot edge wait.
With all those craks, I would start ditching the dots first leading with an early ditch of 1-dot irrespective of the draw, followed by the 2-dot then reassess. If my draws are bring up chars and Im playing with red fives then Id concentrate on getting the craks in order whilst waiting on 6-bam for the pon plus red-dot 5-dot pair.
I like to keep the 7-crak because keeping it gives us a shot at four different four-sided waits, a five-sided wait, and (I think) two six-sided waits. To set those up you\'d be hoping to draw a 4-crak or 6-crak or 8-crak
Basically I\'m shooting for maximum flexibility.
Again multiple overlapping runs in the craks seems the better hand from here. If I got a run of crak draws and the opponents seem to be getting nowhere I might consider dropping the 6-bam 6-bam but only if the hand started started to devole closer to san ankou (triple pon) or ryan peikou (twice pure double run) .... Im not saying I would aim for this but if the opponents dropped some crippling early crak discards that may be a quick alternative given some good draws.
P.S. ThaReaper: changing an edge wait into a closed wait does not actually improve it because both are one-sided and wait for four tiles. You also set yourself up for potential furiten in this case.
I have "walked" a run upto the red-dot: 1-dot2-dot red-dot to 2-dot3-dot red-dot to 3-dot4-dotred-dot but I would not recommend it ... you need good draws, good opponent discards that dont affect your hand otherwise you will end up in a right mess and easily land in a position worse than you started giving your opponents a 6 draw lead.

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by Ruro » Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:21 pm

Seems like 1-dot is the most unneeded thing here, going for tanpin is always a good option i think. And if luck is with us then this hand can progress into a real monster. (1 colored hmmmm)

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by pinpingho » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:26 am

eh... I don\'t see why all of you want to discard 1d first before 2d.

As long as it is not dangerous to discard 1d a abit later I would cut the 2d first. Basically having a 2-5 shape with the 1 discarded the 2 is pretty much useless(you should discard 2 no matter you draw 3 or 4 later). On the contrary, what if I draw another dora? Then you would totally want your 1d back. I know the chance is not very high but why would you want the 2d instead of a 1d dora?

by the way can anyone tell me how to use the mahjong tile pic? Thanks alot

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by Tha_Reaper » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:46 am

pinpingho wrote: by the way can anyone tell me how to use the mahjong tile pic? Thanks alot
http://www.reachmahjong.com/home/index. ... 8424#48424

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by iandstanley » Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:53 pm

pinpingho wrote:eh... I don\'t see why all of you want to discard 1d first before 2d.
I think all of us have decided to ditch 1-dot 2-dot regardless of draws and go for a hand using the other two suits. If you end up wanting a three tile unit in bam or dot then collecting a 6-bam would be easier than a 2-dot dora or 3-dot as the other players are more likely to retain these for their own sets or get rid of it before you can use it. With a 2-dot dora tile you often see early ditches of 2-dot and 3-dot ... the latter as an attempt to minimise the use of a 2-dot chow as a 2-dot pung is unlikely unless someone gets a very early pair.

If we are going to do that it is normal to ditch the terminal first. (Normally if you are not collecting honours or terminals you should look to ditch these asap as this makes it more difficult for opponents to collect higher hands that require them .... ditching them in the mid game is dangerous and in the late game you are really going to lose a lot more and irritate a lot of people if they see it as one of your habits)

Dora tile
Not sure if Jen means that the dora tile is 1-dot or 2-dot as I don\'t use the term lucky tile but dora tile and dora indicator. If she means the dora indicator then if by any chance we drew a 2-dot on the second draw, I think a number of may consider the relative pros/cons of looking for a 2-dot pon/pair when compared to the 6-bam pon/pair.

However, assuming the second draw is not a 2-dot dora then I would still go down the route of reducing down to two suits. ditching the dora tile (whichever 1-dot or 2-dot it is would still be a good consideration early on as it reduces the chances of a 2-dot pon ... often players will use the temporary furiten rule to ditch matching dangerous tiles be it honours or dora tiles)

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by pinpingho » Sat Jun 06, 2009 2:00 pm

iandstanley wrote:
If we are going to do that it is normal to ditch the terminal first. (Normally if you are not collecting honours or terminals you should look to ditch these asap as this makes it more difficult for opponents to collect higher hands that require them .... ditching them in the mid game is dangerous and in the late game you are really going to lose a lot more and irritate a lot of people if they see it as one of your habits)
As far as I know, in a 1-2-5 shape, the 2 will be the standard discard.
I don\'t think terminals get more dangerous in the late game. As far as I can see it is still safer than any other cards(It has the least kind of waits comparing to other number tile). So keeping a terminal for later play should definitly be a better idea. In our 1-dot - 2-dot - 5-dot shape. In my opinion, without considering 1-dot is a dora or not and other situation on table it is with no doubt safer than 2-dot early or late. And once you discard 1-dot, the 2-dot is completely useless. Like I said, you still have to discard 2-dot not matter you draw 3-dot or 4-dot.

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by gezzar » Sat Jun 06, 2009 5:01 pm

probably get rid of the 1-2 side wait (depending on the board situation)

so maybe the 2-dot then 1-dot

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Re:WWYD 5/30

Post by HotelFSR » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:15 am

Normally I would discard 2-dot then the 1-dot dora.

However, since we are ahead scorewise in this case I would play it extra safe and discard the 1-dot first instead, then the 2-dot.

We are also halfway through the south round so it\'s better to work towards ending the game than insisting on extra hands as dealer, which also give the other players more chances to move ahead.

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