or2az wrote:So you are saying that I do not get 3 dora for each of the
dora indicators. I guess I interpreted Barts guide incorrectly.
"If the same tile appears twice or more among the indicators then the effects are cumulative, e.g.
when there are two 7-man indicators and you win with a hand containing a set of three 8-man
tiles then you receive six Han. Dora bonuses also stack with doubles from red fives."
(It's the last sentence that I'm referring to.)
P.S. you mean man, not han, right?
I bet you´ve got the correct amount, 9 Han.
The first dorahyôji (indicator) is
so you get nothing here.
The second is
so you get those first 2 Han.
The third is the uradora indicator, which is another
. Thus, making your
to count as 4 Han. You have two of them, and you have to count each of them for being the kandora & uradora after all.
The last is the kanuradora
, and you get 3 Han from your three
.
And then as an extra, you get 2 Han for your two red fives. The red fives are an extra. Those Han get added later.
The total is 9 Han from dora.
To clarify:
One of your
get count as 3 Han: 1 Han for being the kandora & another 1 Han for being the uradora. And then you add the fact that tile is a red five for a total of 3 Han on that part.
Then you can count the other
, but this one, only for being kandora & uradora.
This way, the manzu tiles gives you 5 Han from dora.
You have to count each thing separately.
When Barticle said: "If the same tile appears twice or more among the indicators then the effects are cumulative, e.g.
when there are two 7-man indicators and you win with a hand containing a set of three 8-man
tiles then you receive six Han. Dora bonuses also stack with doubles from red fives." Means that you count each 8-man twice, but just because the values stack. That´s all.
The problem is that maybe Barticle´s text does not explain a case like you´ve got, with the red fives, properly. Could be ambiguous.
So some people may think when you have the same dora and kandora indicator you have to double the value of the tile, but it´s not exactly that. If you say something like that, someone may think that if you have a red five dora, you have to rely on the fact that this tile is a red five, and then double it´s value.
Example of a wrong calculation due an unclear or incorrect explanation: You have a 5 manzu wich is a dora, but also is a red five, so it has to give you 2 Han. As is said that when there are two 4-manzu indicators and you win with a 5 manzu dora in your hand it´s value get´s doubled, you may think that it´s value is 4 Han. Because it´s the dora and also a red five, wich atomatically awards you with 2 Han, 4 if doubled this way.
But you have to count each thing separately. Not multiplying, but adding.
I edited this so many times... I will not edit it more, I promise.
Life is as beautiful as you want it to be, but it´s only one. That´s why you must not get tired of it. Don´t care if you don´t say something that seems "important" because your mere existence is important for someone.
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(good-bye tanyao) and was ready to riichi. The hand now looked like this:
